Friday, January 18, 2008

Pastor Braveheart: “not very fun to be around”

Pastor Jeffery “Braveheart” Meyers has visited my fully documented anonymous attack blog to leave me a love note, writing:

Please remove the photo of Jordan that appears in this post. That image is MY PROPERTY and I did not give you permission to use it here. You have stolen what belongs to me. You are clearly in violation of copyright laws.

Thank you.

Jeff Meyers

Dr. Braveheart,

You may not know this, but Jimmy Jordan put me through this same exercise two weeks ago after he saw my widely acclaimed fully documented anonymous attack post “Bag o’ Snakes” and while I did not post my attorney’s counsel at that time, he concluded that James Jordan violated the Ninth Commandment when he accused me of violating copyright law. So rather than wait until Monday for me to contact my lawyer again, can you please point me to the exact US Copyright code that I violated and demonstrate how my use of the photograph (which you have not established belongs to you) does not conform to the Fair Use clause thereof? (I suggest you remove your Bozo mask before you read the code; methinks the funny glasses may have impaired your vision, if not your judgment.)

And when you discover that you, like Jimmy, are blowing smoke, I urge you to reflect on the words that you penned three days ago, which I cite pursuant to the Fair Use clause of US Copyright code:

People who take themselves too seriously should not be trusted. Besides, they’re not very fun to be around.

Far from being evidence of hubris, mocking one’s self and whatever “movement” one might be associated with is quite healthy. (“Humility & Humor”)

You see, Pastor Braveheart, your comment about “MY PROPERTY” leaves me with the distinct impression that you take yourself too seriously and that I should not trust you. Even worse, it persuades me that you’re not very fun to be around. So I encourage you to join me in mocking James Jordan, the Godfather of the Federal Vision “movement” you’re associated with, because it (mocking) really is quite healthy.

Thank you.


Anonymous said...

So let me get this right, the movement that uses mocking as their montra, cannot tolerate being mocked. This is really too much.

You now have, officially, my favorite blog.


Mark T. said...

From one anonymous person to another, I say, “Thank you.”

Anonymous said...

I suppose I spelled mantra wrong, didn't I? ;-) Oh well.

Anonymous said...

What is wrong these people? Who cares about a picture that is put on the internet? What - royalties?

Are you aware that Schlissel (and his church) also threatened legal action against the RPCUS for publishing transcripts of the original (2002) AAPC lectures? You would think that they would have wanted their message to have been published as broadly as possible. Insane.

Mark T. said...

This shows the heart and soul of the Federal Vision and its leaders. They will beat, club, threaten, and abuse anyone who disagrees with them or opposes them. Welcome to club FV — where the Reformation takes place one insult at a time.

David Gadbois said...

Before folks (especially those who would lecture on biblical justice) turn to threats of legal action, or actually instigate legal action, I hope they will consider I Corinthians 6.

When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!

Anonymous said...

It is always helpful before threatening legal action to make sure that you know the law and that you are on the right side of it. Meyers demonstrated conclusively that he does not understand U.S. Copyright law (fair use provisions) or, for that matter, biblical law as he cites the wrong commandment for stealing. Sad.

Mark T. said...

The Federal Visionists’ vacant appeals to federal law are symptomatic of their desperation to control all public relations relative to the Federal Vision as well as the conversation. When I saw Meyers muff the Commandments my intuition said he was either drunk or hyperventilating. I opted for the judgment of charity and asked him to take a deep breath.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info. I did some of my own research on the question of fair use as well. FWIW I also asked for clarification from Meyers on my own blog and at his blog site. Instead of answering my question so we might come to some agreement he just deleted my question from his site.

I confess I'm sorry I took his word when he threatened me with copyright infringement. I don't want to violate any laws.

What started to disturb me though is that if his posted photos cannot be copied and critiqued, much less commented on, then neither can his writings both on his blog and on the new Biblical Horizons blog.

They'd all be off limits.

The FV postmil utopia. ;)

I hope the men over at Greenbaggins(es) reconsider. Unless I'm missing something, it's a bad precedent.

More disturbing is that Meyers doesn't even know his Ten Commandments. He must be one of those antinomians.

Mark T. said...

Hi Sean,

I was just on your site reading the one-way exchange between you and Braveheart. Pastor Jeffery Meyers is a liar, like the rest of ’em (I used his whole name so that Google Alert rings his bell). Meyers, Wilson, Leithart, Jordan, Horne, Wilkins — every one of them — are serial liars. And their idea of unity of the Spirit is agreeing with them — whether they are right or wrong — because they are always right, even when they’re wrong.

I cut GB big-time slack on this point. There’s no reason for Lane to die on this hill. He has bigger fish to fry. He didn’t pull the post as Meyers declared ex cathedra was the appropriate Christian response to the apology that never took place and he didn’t challenge Meyers’ falsehood about copyright violation. Lane acted pursuant to Christian humility and pulled the photo without comment and without apology (because he had nothing to apologize for). Lane is a pastor and a prosecutor and these idiots intend to scrutinize every step he takes. I don’t blame him at all. Why push buttons unnecessarily?

But Pastor Lane’s role in this controversy is different than mine and yours. So I’ll keep the photo up there to teach Braveheart some manners, which will never happen. And when he doesn’t learn to be polite, I intend to start another thread addressing this very same subject from a Moscow point of view. A couple of years ago some of Doug’s Thugs (in fact it was that idiot Courtney) took photos from websites of unbelievers in the community and deliberately embellished them to specifically embarrass and humiliate these persons. Wilson approved of the whole thing. So the community members appealed to copyright code and Courtney ate their lunch with the very same points of law that has Braveheart all bent out of shape. And I’m sure Braveheart would approve of Doug’s Thugs while he condemns our actions.

They’re all a bunch of pigs — selfish pigs — who have no concept of human decency.